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Q & A format. An edited extract from my Aquaponics Discussion Forum where very experienced Aquaponics and regular gardening practitioners contribute.
Here's a question that gets asked of me privately by a lot of Permaculture people of Aquaponics. "Are all the nutrients that are needed by the plants grown in Aquaponics available to it?"
The idea is that an "organic" dirt garden has a plethora of nutrients available to the plant at any moment. The perception is that there are few if little available to the plants grown in an Aquaponics system. This question is raised continually by people who are a little suspicious of things grown in tubs and out of their soil environment and I saw this question raised again today on one of Murray's YouTube video clip responses.
The reader asks politely,
"I am all for organic and chemical free but when it comes to Aquaponics, do the plants receive *all* the nutrients they really need? Soils have an enormous number of elements to them. Despite the artificially created tastes made by the advertisers, variation is a good thing - especially if you are allowing the plants to take up as wide a variety of nutrients as possible. The plants know what they need the best in any given environment. Does anyone know if Aquaponics accounts for this?"
In AP systems I add sea salt and Seasol (seaweed extract) so there are more trace elements than most soils. And with worms mineralising waste in the GB's, in greater numbers than soil. And the plants growing faster and looking and tasting better, my guess is if we are missing something its probably not needed any way.
I regularly make and add compost tea to my Aquaponics systems. It is my firm belief that in order to be an effective gardener of any sort, to have nutrient dense vegetables one must become a master composter.
I think the idea that a dirt garden "has a plethora of nutrients available to the plant at any moment".... is both a fundamental fallacy... and at the same time... an answer to the question...
Dirt gardens have a periodic... and unregulated "flood & drain" regime... i.e rain... and as such, most of the nutrients needed, which are water soluble and motile.... are often unavailable... unless a watering regime is in place...
Similarly, the whole concept of "companion planting"... besides disease/pest considerations... is based upon the understanding that certain plants have different nutrient needs... and that one plant might deplete the needs of another etc...
Then there's the whole "fertilising"... and crop rotation philosophies.... to replenish and provide the necessary trace elements/nutrients so that a plant nutrient and trace element needs are available at all times.
In aquaponics.... we meet all the nutrient needs... of all the plants.... all the time.... within limits of pH lockout of things like iron...
We could go on for hours about this I am sure, but I feel it has been mostly answered in the two previous posts. (above)
How could comparison scientific trials be done ? It would be difficult. An AP garden would be very consistent whereas the best dirt garden would experience a lot of variation in nutrient availability over time.
Gardening of any sort is almost a religious experience....people develop a strong belief that their particular gardening method is the best. Maybe that is not such a bad thing, but strongly held belief systems (paradigms) can sometimes limit logical thought.
I have been asked the same question as Frank outlines, every single time I have presented AP at a Permaculture gathering.
I find that once these people understand just how AP works, particularly a closed loop model such as most of us practice ....flood and drain with worms etc....these folk quickly understand and become just a little excited at the possibilities that a AP system inclusion will bring to their Permaculture vision.
AP inclusion will bring even more balance to an overall food production system, as will the inclusion of wicking beds and so on.
There are a couple of mental barriers to AP, in the minds of Permaculture type purists.
One is the soil....you must have soil with worms and compost to have a proper garden. (we have heaps of worms in gravel grow beds doing what worms do)
Two is the fish food....commercial pellets are made from by-catch and the making and using of them is destroying the ocean fisheries, which is seen as ecological vandalism and unsustainable. (this problem will be solved and there are some very exciting developments as of now 2014. Re sustainable fish food.)
I believe these barriers can be and are being dealt with very effectively and we will see a gradual shift in attitude, and AP will be seen as a very viable and even necessary part of a Permaculture plan/garden...
The name aquaponics can be deceiving. The hydroponics portion of the name implies growing solely in water but in a way, aquaponics grows in water and soil. Dust from the air and other sources will find it's way into the GB. Fish waste will break down into an organic fertilizer that together with the dust and dirt will create an organic soil in the GB. With a regulated flood and drain cycle the plants will also have all the water and air they need, without the loss of water one would expect from a soil garden.
As far as by catch goes, or to be more accurate, fish waste from fish processing such as the heads, gut and skeleton, it's better we use it or else it goes into a landfill.
I believe that the presence of composting worms in AP system grow beds provide the completion of the nutrient question. I have worm feeding stations fitted to most of my grow beds now. Veggie scraps and other compostable material is added to these regularly to provide even more diversity of nutrient source to the AP system. The exciting thing is that in an AP system the nutrients do not get leached away as does happen in a regular dirt garden. The nutrients and minerals are retained in the AP system and evenly distributed.
Let's remember that there is a myriad of bacteria and microbes at work in a mature AP system breaking down and processing material to create a marvellous natural system that is by its very nature, organic.
Posted By Murray Hallam on 11th December 2011
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Hi Murray, I am very interested in the worm feeding stations you refer to here. Is there any chance you could provide a photo or description of them please. Our system is only 2 months old and the cos lettuce are growing really well and very green however the new leaves on our broccoli and cabbage are quite yellow. Our compost is not ready to be used for compost tea yet so the worm feeding station sounded like it could help. Other than that we are very pleased with the system. The fish seem to be getting bigger every day
Posted By Paul Dale on Monday 3rd September 2018 @ 03:15:00
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. We are about to rebuild this website so will provide answers later.Just build a worm farm and use the worm juice to boost the nutrient levels in the system.
Posted By Murray on Monday 3rd September 2018 @ 03:15:00
Sir, I'm a beginner. Does AP requires nutrient solution or iron? Because my cabbage leaf become green and yellow colour.
Posted By Smith on Saturday 6th May 2017 @ 04:25:16
There will be a master class in Sydney in November. Watch here for dates and details.
Posted By Murray on Saturday 6th May 2017 @ 04:25:16
Vegetables require 18 essential nutrients.
from air: hydrogen(H), oxygen(O), carbon(C)
the macronutrients: nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), potassium (K), calcium (Ca), sulfur (S), magnesium (Mg)
the micronutrients (or trace minerals): boron (B), chlorine (Cl), manganese (Mn), iron (Fe), zinc (Zn), copper (Cu), molybdenum (Mo), nickel (Ni). and cobalt (Co)
There is no way any of the above methods can reliably supply the proper amounts to a plant. Different plants require different nutrient mixes and the same plant will have differing uptake based on life cycle (ie. fruit set) and climate.
The effect of pH greatly effects the uptake of each nutrient. Nitrogen from Nitrate(NO3) and Ammonium(NH4) can both be uptaken by roots. Using calcium ntirate supplies both essential elements. Nitrate is stable and does create acidification like ammonium.
So what if it is made in a factory. The question to be asked is how pure is the end product.
Posted By robogrow on Saturday 18th March 2017 @ 20:38:54
In a well found Aquaponics system all the elements are supplied. Aquaponics mimics nature, that is our aim. The addition of the macro and micro elements is achieved by the liberal use of compost and worm teas. Intelligent composting is essential and relatively easily achieved.
Posted By Murray on Saturday 18th March 2017 @ 20:38:54
Quite educating, indeed. So, I would assuming that by introducing enough worms into my grow beds, I should not have any nutrient deficiency. Is the correct?
Posted By Des Sung on Friday 11th November 2016 @ 09:15:29
Worms in the system are a big help but not the whole solution. Ver much a move in the right direction.
Posted By Murray on Friday 11th November 2016 @ 09:15:29
I have been experimenting with AP for about three years, have grow beds with gravel and tilapia for the supply. Ran across an article that claims mineral rock dust is needed to get tomatoes and peppers to bloom, mine have been doing fine, I have worms in the grow bed, which continues to amaze me that they can be flooded continually and do fine. Would a seaweed extract or compost tea help me, frankly, peppers are small but they look good.
Posted By Michael Hildebrant on Sunday 23rd October 2016 @ 02:10:33
Hi Michael, Compost tea, well made and the use of a good seaweed extract will improve things, but it sounds like you are going great anyway. Yes, it never ceases to amaze me just how well a mature AP system continues to deliver.
Posted By Murray on Sunday 23rd October 2016 @ 02:10:33
I think the micro organisms that drive this whole system are not being considered to the degree that they need to be. Just as the micro organisms in our gut have ,until recently, been overlooked. It's the nemotoads in the mouth of the worms that are causing the composting. The soilless systems must be missing micro organisms that can live in soil but not underwater. I have yet to taste a "hot house" tomato or ear of corn that was worth buying and that to me is invalidation beyond opionion.
Posted By Next to on Friday 11th September 2015 @ 07:02:44
Hi Next to (funny name that)You are correct, this is why we include media beds in all our systems. Media beds contain all the microbes, bacteria, nematodes, archaea, fungi that are in a well-found soil. Our media beds have solid healthy worm populations. The media bed becomes a nutrient bank for the entire system.Our tomatoes, lettuce and other produce grown in our Aquaponics systems are tasty and nutrient dense.Murray
Posted By Murray on Friday 11th September 2015 @ 07:02:44
Is this ok for Aquaponics ?
Posted By Stefano Zamprogno on Friday 12th October 2012 @ 13:49:50
Hi Stefanio,Maxicrop as sold in the USA is fine. If it is the same product then it will be fine. Need to be able to read the label and compare.
Posted By Murray on Friday 12th October 2012 @ 13:49:50
Do you know a product like Seasol seaweed extract that i can find in Europe/Italy or equivalent ? Thanks !
Posted By Stefano Zamprogno on Monday 1st October 2012 @ 21:13:57
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